We all know you what you really meant:

“Stop drawing conclusions from empirical data, it interferes with my prejudice and bigotry.”

Or, did you actually think you were courageously taking a stand for…what, exactly? Being a jerk?

Did it really never occur to you that choosing to let your ignorant fear shape your perspective makes you weak??

What am I making up? This woman almost certainly has athletic advantages far greater than the vast majority of the trans athletes people get so apoplectic about.

Stop making shit up to fit your narrative. It detracta (sic) from the actual issue.

Very hard?

Yeah dont tell me im six foot which is the average where i live but women are just so much shorter… for me it actually helps that im 100kg with a pretty muscular build because I only care abou the height and from my experience taller women tend to like wider men. Idk. Still its hard out here lol

Oh noes! They’re talking about s-e-x? Gross! We’re not supposed to talk about that! That’s naughty - we should be reading our bibles instead!

That’s awfully presumptuous of you, perhaps the comment was made by a woman who is sexualizing short men

You are telling me that a woman practically naked from waist below is not sexual? You might be gay.

I’d be satisfied if women got to openly sexualize men and talk about it. That would level out the playing field and, hopefully, reduce the unnecessary sexualizing of trivial things.

Nope.

That is literally the opposite of evolution, we evolve to procreate that means more sex and sexualizing.

TLDR: if you don’t sexualize women on the Internet you are an affront to evolution and a sin against nature.

She would have to put pants on, at least.

Derp!

Yep, whoops, take those figures and divide by two, I forgot to, damnit.

thats what they want you to think

Autism is my superpower rofl.

Also good lord, 7 foot tall woman, sheesh.

I can only hope she doesn’t have some kind of debilitating form of gigantism, I know a lot the all time world record holders for height had all kinds of horrendous health problems and died fairly young.

I am a 5’9" woman and prefer guys around my height, anecdotally all the women I know who want tall guys are themselves short.

It’s a weak preference but yeah I think since I go through life being around the same height as most guys I meet I don’t have such a strong association with height as a sex difference, if that makes sense.

I don’t have access to the full article, but it sounds like they didn’t examine the sliding scale of height preferences, by one’s own height.

The 21cm vs 8cm is the mean, and their sample size was large enough to be statistically valid.

I did specifically quote the part that includes ‘best satisfied’.

Ie, the ‘ideal’ partner height.

Many people often choose partners that are … close enough to many ideal traits, weighting them in different and complex ways, often not even entirely fully concsious of the nature of how they weight or order their preferences, but thats all way outside of the scope of this paper.

Yep, its possible the uh preference differential changes as you approach extreme ends of height, but the problem is that, being a statistically representative sample, it doesn’t include many people who are very short, or very tall.

Anyway:

https://annas-archive.org/md5/50413a744e4887cff238a542b59b19b2

Here’s the whole paper!

But from the publicly available text, it doesn’t seem to report on whether that preferred delta between one’s own height and the ideal partner height changed with the absolute height of themselves.

Yeah, that seems to be my take away as well, they don’t go into precisely that in the paper.

Or is there a sliding scale where already tall people aren’t exactly looking for excessively unusual outliers, and that the preference of tall women is something smaller than 21cm, such that the overall average might be that very short women prefer a big height difference but very tall women prefer a small height difference?

Apologies for shit tier resolution, I am on mobile:

‘Female’ meaning, the male-preferred height of a female partner, ‘Male’ meaning the female-prefered height of a male partner, so that… may be backwards depending on your inution for reading graphs.

Also these are 2 SD bounds, 95% CI, I kinda cropped out half the text that explains that, whoops.

So, yes, this effect you mention does exist… but they do not seem to focus on it in the paper.

Unfortunately, I am not seeing a visualization that or equation that more specifically and precisely answers your question of whether or not very tall or short men or women are less uh, height-choosy.

Perhaps I am missing it?

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Here’s another way they visualize their data:

Now, here, ‘Men’ means men, ‘Women’ means women, and the x axis is [male height - female height].

So, very broadly, yeah you see that the sort of mutual sweet spot of both partners being decently satisfied with the height difference is roughly a man being 13ish cm, roughly 5 inches taller than a woman.

So, from that, maybe ‘Short King’ has a realistic shot with 4’10" women, not 4’ 7"?

???

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We can also see that women’s satisfaction with a male partner’s height uh, nose dives as a women is asked about a man who is going from 13 cm taller than them, to the same height as them… but then does rebound once the heights are just inverted.

This is also the only situation where the man is less satisfied with the pairing than the woman, on average, (untill you get to men being about 18cm taller than the woman, then its roughly the same gap as the height difference increases) but the men have huge CI intervals in this instance, indicating many men actually don’t mind this much, and some men mind it extremely.

Meanwhile, women generally dislike being taller than their man, with a yes, expanded CI range, but far less than that of the man, indicating that this is a less variable and more common … anti-preference for most women, in general, than it is for men.

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Somewhat oddly, to me at least, we also have this pattern:

The maximum gap in partner height satisfaction between men and women seems to be around a man being just about 3cm, or about 1 inch, taller than the woman.

For women broadly, this is the least desirable possible pairing, while for men, it would basically be nice if they were about 2 inches or about 5cm taller…, but its not that big a deal to them, they are not that far from their maximum satisfaction.

Meanwhile, this situation is the lowest scoring situation for women.

It is actually worse than the woman being taller than the man.

In case you have not guesed, I am a guy, and I find this … fairly confusing/interesting.

Basically this means there is a huge mismatch where guys are generally pretty ok with being just a bit taller than their gal, but women find this to be the worst, the lowest possible score they would broadly assign to a partner height difference situation, to such an extent that they’d actually be on average happier if her man was just actually shorter than her.

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But anyway, yeah, unless I am missing something, it doesn’t look like this paper actually answers your question precisely.

What you mention, the uh, height-choosyness tapering off for tall women and very short men does occur to some extent, but we… don’t really seem to have that detailed to us, I am not seeing a way to mathematically compare the magnitude.

Also again worth noting, my ‘Short King’ scenario was kind of a worst case scenario, as it assumes all women would only go for their ideal partner scenario.

Some women do do this, but obviously not all, and some men also do this, but obviously not all… and numbers on the absolute or relative prevalence of that do not seem to be in this paper.

If he was the average male height of 5’ 10"… she would be uh…

about 7’ 6".

Which would make her the tallest woman in the world, by half a foot, as per uh, ColeSloth elsewhere in this thread showing that the tallest currently alive woman being 7’ tall.

I mean, when I am talking to a non burgeroid on lemmy who makes it clear, or at least seems likely that they don’t know Freedom Units, I try to go out of my way to do the conversions, present both measurement systems.

But uh yeah, the vast majority of us don’t, and I do think that is rude of us.

You might be surprised! My uncle is 170 cm tall, his wife about 165, and two of their sons are about 170. Their third son is nearly 195 cm. Yes, he’s their biological child - we’ve checked!

Both my aunt and uncle had tall fathers and very short mothers. Height is polygenic (multiple genes are responsible), so my cousin won the height allele lottery and inherited a higher proportion of the height increasing traits both parents carried, making him a height outlier.

I once knew a married couple with the husband at 6’8" and the wife at 4’10". For years, we all joked about them having kids, and either would quip “logistics”. I was part of the family gathering during the birth of their first child, and a caesarian was essential. 🙃

I mean not neccesarily. Both my parents are at least 15cm shorter than me. My mum is quite tall (looking at averages she falls in the 20th percentile but still is around 175cm) but my dad is average height at 48th percentile. And yet I fall in the 1st to 2nd percentile.

Both my brothers are about as tall as my dad and the only one even close to my height is one of my mother’s cousins.

Yeah I’d sniff her farts too.

Down bad